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 Post subject: A new heart for Blu
PostPosted: Tue Feb 14, 2017 2:01 pm 
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1998 Riviera with 190kms.

Not coming my way until the spring, but thought I'd start the gathering of parts & info. I'll be going mild cam, springs, & gaskets just for starters. Smaller pulley & intercooler will be phase II so want the engine to be ready for it. I like the auto in Blondie, but I'm planning on either using my existing 5-speed getrag or grabbing something with longer legs.

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 Post subject: Re: A new heart for Blu
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Nice! Mine is on phase 3 this winter.

What's your end goal with it? Fun power or are you like me and start going ugh ugh ugh...more power?

Reason I ask is transmission based. Keeping it automatic is better for high hp aspirations (though they still need upgrading 8nput shafts chain etc etc)

For lower hp the 5spd is just a lot more fun to drive though but the clutches that hold higher HP are evil and the trans is fragile.


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 Post subject: Re: A new heart for Blu
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Ya, I've seen there's not much in the way of manual tranny options - not plug & play anyway. I'm thinking of 325hp as a goal for dependable power with the 84 4-speed MY8 if I can find one. I don't think it'll be a stoplight king so much as having a nice punch every now and then once rolling.

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 Post subject: Re: A new heart for Blu
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84 M19 320 to the wheels on the dyno, just saying :)


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 Post subject: Re: A new heart for Blu
PostPosted: Mon Feb 20, 2017 5:42 pm 
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Ya, I've seen there's not much in the way of manual tranny options - not plug & play anyway. I'm thinking of 325hp as a goal for dependable power with the 84 4-speed MY8 if I can find one. I don't think it'll be a stoplight king so much as having a nice punch every now and then once rolling.


If you really desire the 84 MY8 gears, I'd suggest you install them in an M17 transmission then (85-86) it has a stronger casing then the 84's. For overall driving and little more dependable manual, you should look into an F23 or at least a FWD 282 getrag.


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 Post subject: Re: A new heart for Blu
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So, in order of preference, I was looking at

MY8
282 (which I have already)
F23

Sounds to me like I have basically 2 choices. Stick with the "less fun" auto option if I'm pushing more than 300, or limit the build and be happy with a close-to-stock setup.

Sound about right?

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 Post subject: Re: A new heart for Blu
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That was full throttle in first gear, after fully releasing the clutch. But ya those Muncies really aren't up to the task of a 3800 SC. I used to be a standard over auto guy, but the reality is use the best tool for the job IMO. In almost all modern cars the autos now perform better then the standards (didn't used to be the case), but there really is no easy install standard transmission that bolts up to the 3800 designed for anywhere near the tq that those engines create.

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 Post subject: Re: A new heart for Blu
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So maybe I should rename the thread "Seven gets a performance block" and leave blue as a 2.8 standard.

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 Post subject: Re: A new heart for Blu
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That's an option, but do you like standard transmissions or performance more? You would be lucky to put 180 to the wheels on a 2.8.... And that would require a turbo or some kind of power adder.


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 Post subject: Re: A new heart for Blu
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Standard all the way. Blu's a lot of fun, and sounds awesome, but was thinking a little "more" might be even more fun. Again, maybe go to town a bit with the Formula and install the close-to-stock 3800sc now installed behind the 5-speed in Blu once I'm finished. The intention is not to create power at the expense of problems. I have the 2 so I can experiment a little before implementing.

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 Post subject: Re: A new heart for Blu
PostPosted: Tue Feb 21, 2017 6:12 pm 
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As long as you are being smart about it, stay standard. I always knew the standard wouldn't support the power I wanted, I knew I would inevitably have to go auto for the power I wanted.

Stay lower power if you want to keep the manual transmission, at least you have a much better chance of keeping a working car that way :)

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 Post subject: Re: A new heart for Blu
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I'll be scouring, but Blondie already needed a notch in the deck-lid support. Anyone know which mounts are required to re-position the engine down so the addition of a 1" inter-cooler does not require a deck-lid scoop? I've read some Dodge vintage truck mounts, but there's gotta be something a little more standard being used. I'll be using the 4-speed auto presently attached.

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 Post subject: Re: A new heart for Blu
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I can't help you on that, my rear lid already had the scoop when I got the car, and I had to notch the side huge with the full size intercooler (2.25") and Gen V blower.

Whatever you decide to do, if you are going to be driving it hard get poly mounts everywhere, and make sure you use a dog bone on the top, or you will likely eat mounts at an alarming rate.

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 Post subject: Re: A new heart for Blu
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Presently poly is installed all around but no dog mount. No hard driving here, just a nice rush every now and then on a highway. Along the lines of setup, does your regular coolant hose run through the center of your pulley running to the alternator. I ask because mine does, and it's been rubbed against more than once. Wondering about a 90 degree elbow or even different water pump to get it out of there.

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 Post subject: Re: A new heart for Blu
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I am not sure I understand the question. Can you take a picture of what you are asking?


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